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PM mulls suspending social networking access for baddies

by Scott Bicheno on 11 August 2011, 18:49

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I predict a riot

The Prime Minister David Cameron gave his formal response to the rioting and subsequent looting that has afflicted much of the UK for the past few days. There was the usual posturing about how these things won't be tolerated but, as ever, the devil was in the detail.

Apparently the feral youths in question used, not only BlackBerry Messenger - which has received a lot of adverse publicity for aiding criminals in coordinating their activities, but social networking to communicate with each other. Well, there is a clue in the name.

Technology is just a tool, and thus can be used for bad as well as good, but when it's misused there are often calls to ban, or at least limit it. Here are some selected transcripts from the PM's speech today.

 

Keeping people safe is the first duty of government.

We are making technology work for us, by capturing the images of the perpetrators on CCTV - so even if they haven't yet been arrested, their faces are known and they will not escape the law.

And as I said yesterday, no phoney human rights concerns about publishing these photographs will get in the way of bringing these criminals to justice.

Mr Speaker, everyone watching these horrific actions will be stuck by how they were organised via social media.

Free flow of information can be used for good. But it can also be used for ill.

And when people are using social media for violence we need to stop them.

So we are working with the Police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality.

I have also asked the police if they need any other new powers.

 

A few of those statements raise concerns about broader civil liberties being curtailed in the name of keeping people safe.

  • "Phoney human rights concerns". As opposed to legitimate ones? Do concerns become phoney as and when the government decides?
  • "Free flow of information can be used for good. But it can also be used for ill." Seems to be setting the scene for selective censorship.
  • "...stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality." Where does this power begin and end? Is it the thin end of the wedge? Dare we say thought crime?
  • "I have also asked the police if they need any other new powers." Speaks for itself.

If technology can be used to assist in the prevention or crimes or punishment of perpetrators, that's potentially a positive thing. But with people already being arrested for misusing social media, we should also be careful to ensure the cure isn't worse than the illness.

 



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It is indeed a dangerous game to restrict civil liberty and start a process of selective censorship - Germany 1933 saw the introduction of some laws in this respect. An exploitative government can use them for ill. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the current government are equivalent to the NSDAP of 1933, but if you're going to go down this route a clear, and independent, appeals mechanism with ability to overrule the government decision is essential.

Not that I think these hooligans deserve any dispensation or right to appeal. If the justice system in this country actually worked there would be no need for discussions of restricting free speech/web access. They would be free to debate whatever they wanted, banged-up inside a cell, and without any creature comforts of mobile phones and twitter/messenger. The government would perhaps best be focussing on actually making prison a deterrant and sentences proper in magnitude and (lack-of) comfort. And for those who will say they need rehabilitation this should be a second step, after the full prison sentence is served, and only if they have behaved themselves and continue to do so. Step out of line, and it should be back in the slammer. A soft justice system permits just the kind of mass lawlessness we have all just witnessed.

If the government isn't willing to do that either then let's just cut out the middle-man: How about suspending their oxygen access? Oh no wait, that's 1930s Germany again…
How exactly do they intend to do this?
This is idiotic on so many levels. No doubt something bad will come of it.
snootyjim
How exactly do they intend to do this?

by invasion of privacy no doubt. The law abiding masses suffer for the deviance of a minority. Again.

This Police Statement is bang on IMO http://www.metfed.org.uk/support/uploads/1313053433Statement%20by%20Metropolitan%20Police%20Federation%20Vice%20Chairman%20John%20Tully.pdf. The Police need to be told by the government, with the exception of being thugs yourselves and picking on innocent people who are doing nothing wrong (including newspaper vendors walking home from work), do whatever needs to be done to keep the streets safe, the innocent protected and the rule of law intact. Use of force is fine provided the situation merits it, and it should be appropriate to the event.
ik9000
by invasion of privacy no doubt.

Well I don't doubt that, but I can't even conceive of a technical solution that would work.

In fact the only one I can think of is locking someone in a room, perhaps in a big building where they could prevent other people get in, and prevent that person getting out. It'd never work though.