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I want my Phenom-based Spider system....now

by Rod Savlon on 5 December 2007, 10:18

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Here I am, a forty-year-old father of two who tries to keep up with the comings and goings of the PC industry. I don't have the time, inclination or expertise to configure and build a system for myself, and my five-year-old Athlon XP2100-based system has given me no trouble during its tenure as my main PC.

Trouble is, upgrading would almost be as expensive as buying a new one, complete with new-fangled technology such as PCI-Express, quad-core processors, and DDR2 memory - or so I'm told by the guy at the local computer shop.

Now, I've been looking to replace the ageing but sturdy beast with something that will last for another five years. To that end, I've done a little research and reckon that a quad-core CPU is a must, as applications, given enough time, will begin to fully utilise the parallel processing power.

Reading reviews around the web, I've noticed that AMD's launched what's called the Spider platform, comprising of a quad-core CPU, 7-series motherboard, and Radeon 3800-series graphics card. Looking at the benchmarks numbers and analysis from the sites that I trust, it appears that whilst the trio aren't the absolute fastest around for the money, performance is reasonable. That's why I've set my heart on such a system, after having such good experiences with my present AMD-based machine.

I want value for money and wish to purchase from a etailer that'll be around in five years, too, as the system integrator of my present machine has gone bust - an affliction that's affected the majority of smaller builders, I note.

Looking around the web at the larger players - including Dell; MESH; PC World; HP; Fujitsu Siemens ; et al - I cannot find one AMD Phenom-powered system for sale. As I peruse the sites and slot in my £999 budget, I'm faced with a plethora of Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600-equipped machines running midrange NVIDIA or ATI graphics.

Why is it that as we're nearing the end of the first week of December, some two weeks after the platform was launched, and an opportune time for AMD to cash-in with folks like me who use Christmas as an excuse to purchase expensive toys, are there no machines around? I'm forced to opt for the Intel-based PC which, by all accounts, will provide a little better performance, yet, really, I've got my heart set on a Phenom.

It's all fine and good AMD stating the synergistic virtues of the Spider platform and lulling potential buyers into perusing system integrators' sites, but there's surely something manifestly wrong when you can't buy a system from the larger players in the run-up to Christmas, right? I don't care much for L3 cache-related problems, let me tell you. I'm sure that Bill down at the local PC shop would knock me up a system in a week or so, assuming he can get hold of the faster speed-grades, but I'm worried, rightly so, that his business won't be around to service the warranty.

AMD's missing out on my festive-fuelled custom by not ensuring that its Phenom-equipped boxes are available in the high-visibility stores and etailers. I've even telephoned a leading etailer and was told that 'such SKUs are in constraint and we don't expect to see any this year'.

Oh, well, it's an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 and NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MiB system for me.....

Flammable material or a fair indictment of AMD's woes? You tell Rod.


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Nano-spider shortages - gah!
The best part is a Q6600 machine won't even set you back £999, if your looking for a pre-built I would go with this and pop in a 8800GT then get a nice big shiny dell 2407 with the remaining cash.
it appears that whilst the trio aren't the absolute fastest around for the money, performance is reasonable. That's why I've set my heart on such a system, after having such good experiences with my present AMD-based machine.

It always makes me wonder just what people expect when they get a new “AMD based machine” because they have had “good experiences with their current AMD machine”. Particularly if the motherboard manufacturer is different.

Quite simply, if the Q6600 is faster for the money, especially overclocked, then you should choose that over any of the crud AMD is releasing now. The CPUs dont perform well enough for the price, the motherboards use the mediocre SB600, and the HD3870 makes impressive power savings but is inferior in many ways to the 8800GT and in most ways to the imminent new 8800GTS.

(btw I'm not some kind of Intel/Nvidia fanboy, my previous system was AMD/ATi, I chose on the basis of price/performance at the time)
DeSean
It always makes me wonder just what people expect when they get a new “AMD based machine” because they have had “good experiences with their current AMD machine”. Particularly if the motherboard manufacturer is different.

Quite simply, if the Q6600 is faster for the money, especially overclocked, then you should choose that over any of the crud AMD is releasing now. The CPUs dont perform well enough for the price, the motherboards use the mediocre SB600, and the HD3870 makes impressive power savings but is inferior in many ways to the 8800GT and in most ways to the imminent new 8800GTS.

(btw I'm not some kind of Intel/Nvidia fanboy, my previous system was AMD/ATi, I chose on the basis of price/performance at the time)


AMD Fanboys differ from other types of fanboys :)
DeSean
…and the HD3870 makes impressive power savings but is inferior in many ways to the 8800GT and in most ways to the imminent new 8800GTS.
The thing is, regarding the ATi side, it's not just performance. If you want pure performance, then there's no doubt you're left with a nV 8800GT or the new 8800GTS. ATi can't really compete in that sense. But in every other sense, Linux drivers excluded, they aren't just competing, but bettering the 8800s.

That doesn't ring at all true with the CPU side of things. As much as I'd like AMD to respond to Core2 with at least an equivalent product, it's not happened. Power consumption isn't dramatically better, it's no cooler, and it certainly can't live up to the speed of the Core2s.

That said though, they aren't so far behind that they shouldn't be considered. You'd never ever know which was which unless you benchmarked one, or you do some lengthy encoding or crunching. The ATi isn't at all far behind the 8800GT and the Phenom isn't obliterated by the Q6600. It's not like the bad old days of some Cyrix chips for instance. The competition can be considered now. If you're an AMD/ATi fanboy then you aren't really going to miss much by sticking with their products if you wanted to.